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]]> By: Ataman Rakin http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29091 Ataman Rakin Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:53:48 +0000 http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29091 "I wonder why somebody with that much international experience can still be stuck etc." 'Stuck' is what you use. Fine. But maybe it is BECAUSE I have a quite large int'l experience where, I can assure you, I have seen and heard things that I came to certain conclusions... Liberals have to stop thinking that they have the patent and the monopoly on 'progress' or whatever. They haven't. “I wonder why somebody with that much international experience can still be stuck etc.”

‘Stuck’ is what you use. Fine. But maybe it is BECAUSE I have a quite large int’l experience where, I can assure you, I have seen and heard things that I came to certain conclusions…

Liberals have to stop thinking that they have the patent and the monopoly on ‘progress’ or whatever. They haven’t.

]]> By: Anna http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29082 Anna Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:09:52 +0000 http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29082 What I meant by my previous post is that Ataman Rakin expresses views which to me seem very black-or-white and I wonder why somebody with that much international experience can still be stuck in boxes of frames that you see to put people in. What I meant by my previous post is that Ataman Rakin expresses views which to me seem very black-or-white and I wonder why somebody with that much international experience can still be stuck in boxes of frames that you see to put people in.

]]> By: Ataman Rakin http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29081 Ataman Rakin Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:40:17 +0000 http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29081 "it’d be boring on neweurasia if you did not write." Nu--nye govori! :) LOL “it’d be boring on neweurasia if you did not write.”

Nu–nye govori! :) LOL

]]> By: Anna http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29079 Anna Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:31:19 +0000 http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29079 Ataman Rakin, it'd be boring on neweurasia if you did not write. Thanks for sharing your views. I am luchky enough to have been raised in an atheist family and an ethnically mixed family, too, which helped me to accept diversity in different societies without challenging my views too much. Intolerance and prejudice kill and injure. I see that a lot in my work. Ataman Rakin, it’d be boring on neweurasia if you did not write. Thanks for sharing your views. I am luchky enough to have been raised in an atheist family and an ethnically mixed family, too, which helped me to accept diversity in different societies without challenging my views too much. Intolerance and prejudice kill and injure. I see that a lot in my work.

]]> By: Ataman Rakin http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29036 Ataman Rakin Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:04:58 +0000 http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29036 "transgenderians is not an accepted term for transgender people… " Ooops, I thought Transgender was a planet. ;) LOL "I haven’t seen any evidence from reliable sources that the Dutch are “advocating paedophilia”." They already have a political party doing that. OK it's marginal, it caused a lot of public outrage which is good but at the same time it is clearly an attempt to go 'one step further'. Vladimir Tyupin puts the numbers of, ahem, LGBT in Kyr at 35,000, which makes 0.7% of the pop. if you take it a 5 million. Will they dictate the agenda? "What I do think is that people who interpret religion in a very narrow, judgemental and literal way want to take us all back to the Dark Ages, which is easily more dangerous than support for any minority group because of its inherent intolerance." That is you democratic right. Yet one should not underestimate that those conveniently called 'religious bigots' are far more progressive and on the mark than salon liberals with their conventional wisdoms... Because they often understand what is REALLY at stake. “transgenderians is not an accepted term for transgender people… ”

Ooops, I thought Transgender was a planet. ;) LOL

“I haven’t seen any evidence from reliable sources that the Dutch are “advocating paedophilia”.”

They already have a political party doing that. OK it’s marginal, it caused a lot of public outrage which is good but at the same time it is clearly an attempt to go ‘one step further’.

Vladimir Tyupin puts the numbers of, ahem, LGBT in Kyr at 35,000, which makes 0.7% of the pop. if you take it a 5 million. Will they dictate the agenda?

“What I do think is that people who interpret religion in a very narrow, judgemental and literal way want to take us all back to the Dark Ages, which is easily more dangerous than support for any minority group because of its inherent intolerance.”

That is you democratic right. Yet one should not underestimate that those conveniently called ‘religious bigots’ are far more progressive and on the mark than salon liberals with their conventional wisdoms… Because they often understand what is REALLY at stake.

]]> By: CXW http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29031 CXW Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:06:25 +0000 http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29031 Kakaya problema?! Literal meaning is such a convenient defence, when you know as well as I do that the way that a word is used is as important as its historical (and non-contemporary) meaning. And, as you know, transgenderians is not an accepted term for transgender people... I haven't seen any evidence from reliable sources that the Dutch are "advocating paedophilia". What I do think is that people who interpret religion in a very narrow, judgemental and literal way want to take us all back to the Dark Ages, which is easily more dangerous than support for any minority group because of its inherent intolerance. I am indeed careful what I wish for - namely a tolerant, open, secular and humanistic society that doesn't kow-tow to religious bigots simply because they shout loudly about what they don't like and refuse to accord others the respect they demand for themselves. That's a really threatening idea, isn't it? Kakaya problema?! Literal meaning is such a convenient defence, when you know as well as I do that the way that a word is used is as important as its historical (and non-contemporary) meaning. And, as you know, transgenderians is not an accepted term for transgender people…

I haven’t seen any evidence from reliable sources that the Dutch are “advocating paedophilia”. What I do think is that people who interpret religion in a very narrow, judgemental and literal way want to take us all back to the Dark Ages, which is easily more dangerous than support for any minority group because of its inherent intolerance. I am indeed careful what I wish for - namely a tolerant, open, secular and humanistic society that doesn’t kow-tow to religious bigots simply because they shout loudly about what they don’t like and refuse to accord others the respect they demand for themselves. That’s a really threatening idea, isn’t it?

]]> By: Ataman Rakin http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29030 Ataman Rakin Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:50:27 +0000 http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29030 "I fail to see the connection between LGBT and “mutants” - play fair and keep the tone one of civil disagreement not insult slanging." Where do you see insults? Should I even daarre? ;) lol 'Mutant' comes from the Latin 'mutare'=to transform. And that is exactly what transgenderians have done: they mutated, hence they are mutants aren't they? Kakie problema? BTW: "it starts with ‘LGB rights’, the next step (look at what happens in Holland) will be advocating paedophilia." Don't you think so? Maybe be careful what you wish for. “I fail to see the connection between LGBT and “mutants” - play fair and keep the tone one of civil disagreement not insult slanging.”

Where do you see insults? Should I even daarre? ;) lol ‘Mutant’ comes from the Latin ‘mutare’=to transform. And that is exactly what transgenderians have done: they mutated, hence they are mutants aren’t they? Kakie problema?

BTW: “it starts with ‘LGB rights’, the next step (look at what happens in Holland) will be advocating paedophilia.” Don’t you think so? Maybe be careful what you wish for.

]]> By: CXW http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29029 CXW Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:17:11 +0000 http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29029 Having met some of them and seen how committed they are, yes. Problems don't go away if ignored, it just means that the dominant group in the community/society (usually heterosexual males with patriarchal religious beliefs) feels more comfortable - and other people suffer. Having met some of them and seen how committed they are, yes. Problems don’t go away if ignored, it just means that the dominant group in the community/society (usually heterosexual males with patriarchal religious beliefs) feels more comfortable - and other people suffer.

]]> By: Ataman Rakin http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29028 Ataman Rakin Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:58:45 +0000 http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/10/23/lgbt-in-kyrgyzstan/#comment-29028 "the people working in these organisations are committed to their humanistic view that ignoring things generally makes people’s lives" :)))) Do you really believe that yourself? “the people working in these organisations are committed to their humanistic view that ignoring things generally makes people’s lives”

:)))) Do you really believe that yourself?

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