Comments on: Offence is no defence: human rights activists on trial for libel http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/23/offence-is-no-defence-human-rights-activists-on-trial-for-libel/ neweurasia\\\'s Kyrgyzstan blog Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:11:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Ivar Dale http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/23/offence-is-no-defence-human-rights-activists-on-trial-for-libel/#comment-27274 Ivar Dale Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:19:46 +0000 http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/23/offence-is-no-defence-human-rights-activists-on-trial-for-libel/#comment-27274 Hi, thought I would add this, this is something I wrote after reading your post. Ivar ???????????? ? ???? ?? ??????? ???????????? ????????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????????????? ???????????? ??????? 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]]> By: Ivar Dale http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/23/offence-is-no-defence-human-rights-activists-on-trial-for-libel/#comment-26499 Ivar Dale Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:08:37 +0000 http://kyrgyzstan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/23/offence-is-no-defence-human-rights-activists-on-trial-for-libel/#comment-26499 Hi, I wanted to let you know that this particular entry was greatly appreciated by Valentina Gritsenko herself, and by many others who care about this case. You really did a super job at drawing the facts together, and of explaining what the case is all about. I was in Jalalabad when Gritsenko showed me a few emails she had received from you about this case - she was impressed, and grateful for the support. She asked me if I knew you, but I had to admit I had no clue (don't know anyone called CXW). Anyway - you ought to know that your posting was appreciated by a lot of people, and that it really made a big difference that you wrote it. Kudos. : ) Hi,

I wanted to let you know that this particular entry was greatly appreciated by Valentina Gritsenko herself, and by many others who care about this case. You really did a super job at drawing the facts together, and of explaining what the case is all about.

I was in Jalalabad when Gritsenko showed me a few emails she had received from you about this case - she was impressed, and grateful for the support. She asked me if I knew you, but I had to admit I had no clue (don’t know anyone called CXW).

Anyway - you ought to know that your posting was appreciated by a lot of people, and that it really made a big difference that you wrote it.

Kudos. : )

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